A study in how Parasites attack their Vicitims

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1. Bill knighton says:

   August 24, 2011 at 5:25 pm

   That shows a dismal performance for wind, especially government wind power. But does it have to be that bad?
   Its hard to know what the future will look like but here is some past wind project data frrom Cumbria, near where the article is centered. The barrow wind project was estimated to cost 143 million euros, but that was all I could find. Just the estimate before it was built. It’s actual performance in 2006/2007 was 195 gigwatt hours/year. This is 0.733 Euros/watt construction cost. I could not find it’s operating cost. This is far short of the cost from this pessimistic BBC article, which showed wind to cost 22x fossile fuel. But if the uk government is going to make a giant inverse economy of scale project of put it maybe 22x is about right. But it does look like wind power is not at fault here, just government.
   http://www.lorc.dk/Knowledge/Offshore-renewables-map/Offshore-site-datasheet/Barrow-Offshore-Wind-Farm/000024

   http://www.lorc.dk/Knowledge/Offshore-renewables-map/Offshore-site-datasheet/Barrow-Offshore-Wind-Farm/000024

   http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_the_United_Kingdom

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   • George B. says:

     August 24, 2011 at 7:10 pm

     Bill, I’ve made no efforts to go over your links, I’m in a time crunch. One of the ways you assure that green energy investments are viable is to leave them in the hands of the private sector. Those who target subsidies as a business almost always outfox the inept body who set the terms for the subsidy. Like the $7500 golf cart with the $7500 subsidy.. the tax payers bought the toy for a person who likey had far more money than the average person who was forced to tender the subsidy! What amazes me most is this same green body of supporters generally hate the wealthy more than carbon monoxide!

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2. Bill knighton says:

   August 24, 2011 at 5:32 pm

   Looking at data from a currently producing wind project in the same area as this BBC piece shows a 90 megawatt project producing 195 gigwatt hours per year at an estimated construction cost of 143 million euros for a cost of 0.78 euros/watt. Not included are operating costs. I think wind power is not a fault in the massive projects the uk is considering. It’s government.

   http://www.lorc.dk/Knowledge/Offshore-renewables-map/Offshore-site-datasheet/Barrow-Offshore-Wind-Farm/000024
   http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_the_United_Kingdom

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3. Bill knighton says:

   August 24, 2011 at 7:31 pm

   I was just doing something else and i realized i left out a step! I divided the 143 million euros by 195 gigwatt hours per year. I forgot to convert that to power per hour. It’s over 6 euros per watt they spend to build it.

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4. Bill knighton says:

   August 24, 2011 at 8:00 pm

   I should have said energy per hour, not power per hour.
   With cost overruns and operating costs it doesn’t look too good. But the 22x the BBC article used was figuring the conventional plant could be made for. 6 euro /watt. That would not include operating cost for fuel either.
   I wonder what cape wind will end up costing. I would like to see better performance from wind than this.

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   • George B. says:

     August 25, 2011 at 4:01 pm

     Bill, those who play this game best know it has NOTHING to do with the production of a Kilowatt hour. It’s all about selling equipment for a tidy sum, and on top of that recieve a rather huge payment from the Public treasury in the form of a subsidy. What happens after that doesn’t really matter, at least not to the people who captured the subsidy or to those who created the terms in order to capture the support and favors from those who will help vote them in for one more term. Of course we know… no matter how large the font, people read only what they want. But at the end of the day, you’ll see large windfarms setting idle and reminders to us all. Of course those who were angry with us skeptics will blame big oil somehow.. perhaps it was the lubricant they supplied, when all those gear boxes died?

     https://www.utterpower.com/diyer-hands-on-wind-power/

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